Liberty Dollar offices raided by FBI

http://www.libertydollar.org/

A couple months ago I purchased a $20 Ron Paul silver Liberty and a $20 Silver liberty to aid in their legal defense.

I just got an email from them stating that they were raided:

Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:

I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville.

For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts.

We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money.

But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and Silver Libertys have been taken.

This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the FBI and Services took all the paper currency too.

The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was designed so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and in the people's hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about a million is in paper or digital form.

I regret that if you are due an order. It may be some time until it will be filled... if ever... it now all depends on our actions.

Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption. We cannot allow the government to steal our money! Please don't let this happen!!! Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal – to return America to a value based currency.

Please forward this important Alert... so everyone who possess or use the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation. Please click HERE to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back!
If the above link does not work you can access the page by copying the following into your web browser.

http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php

Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn government and their dollar sinks to a new low.

Bernard von NotHaus

Monetary Architect

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{"commentId":1188144,"authorDomain":"Jecille"}

Jerry-

I also received that email. I signed up for the class action lawsuit as well. I'm kinda scared now though. Liberty Dollar did nothing illegal and they raided them and grabbed all their stuff. What if they arrest them and us for supporting them. The govt. can call us terrorist or something and hold us without representation. Man this is a scary time we are living in.

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7 votes

#1 - Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:34 PM EST

{"commentId":1190164,"authorDomain":"thomaso-mirodin"}

thomaso-mirodin

Well If they do we cant know you disappeared now can we...

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#1.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:32 AM EST

{"commentId":1188181,"authorDomain":"hreed"}

Holls

I think that this is totally outrageous and shocking. I will continue to follow up on this to learn more about the class action and how the FBI was able to take everything!

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4 votes

#2 - Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:45 PM EST

{"commentId":1188185,"authorDomain":"shawnshekari"}

I'm thinking about calling the FBI to see if there is some offical word on this. If perhaps it was done through order of the judge on the ongoing lawsuit then I wouldn't feel so disturbed.

Right now though I have that same feeling in my guyt that I had when my car was stolen. I feel violated.

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5 votes

#3 - Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:46 PM EST

{"commentId":1188250,"authorDomain":"Jecille"}

Jerry-

I cannot be from the lawsuit against the mint. It was for them to retract their statement from the mint site that says that Liberty Dollar is illegal. I'm sure they will come up with some BS about it being some kind of terrorist organization.

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3 votes

#4 - Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:02 PM EST

{"commentId":1188739,"authorDomain":"shawnshekari"}

I did call Liberty Dollars offices and tried to get to the operator to confirm the email but there was not answer.

I've also not heard back from the FBI public relations liason that I emailed.

Local news about this event: http://www.courierpress.com/news/2007/nov/15/liberty-dollar-office-raided/

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2 votes

#5 - Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:29 PM EST

{"commentId":1188793,"authorDomain":"devo"}

Devo

Being this bold against citizens and undoubtedly act like its nothing, I find very chilling. They'll be the same immovable, illogical elephant in the room. Spitting out words in their defense that don't make any sense.

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2 votes

#6 - Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:39 PM EST

{"commentId":1189273,"authorDomain":"samy2325"}

It may be premature, but I would suggest looking at Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution.

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1 vote

#7 - Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:43 PM EST

{"commentId":1189339,"authorDomain":"fdbryant3"}

FDBryant3

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

The relevance being? Congress sets the value of US backed money. It says nothing about people choosing to use anything else for trade. Just that you can represent the money as being government back.

I am interested to find out what this is about. So, far the only explanation I've seen is it may have to do with an investigation into money laundering.

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5 votes

#7.1 - Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:03 PM EST

{"commentId":1189513,"authorDomain":"samy2325"}

The relevance being that it says only Congress shall have the power to coin money. It's no stretch of the imagination to see how that may have been happening here. That seems like a plausible explanation at this point, we'll see.

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2 votes

#7.2 - Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:01 PM EST

{"commentId":1189542,"authorDomain":"YuriyBilokonsky"}

....

Did I sign the constitution?

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2 votes

#7.3 - Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:08 PM EST

{"commentId":1189645,"authorDomain":"samy2325"}

Um ... what?

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#7.4 - Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:46 PM EST

{"commentId":1189888,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

Adam Hobson

it says only Congress shall have the power to coin money.

Where exactly does it say only Congress?

Besides, Liberty Dollars are not legal tender.

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3 votes

#7.5 - Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:27 PM EST

{"commentId":1190525,"authorDomain":"samy2325"}

Article 1 Section 1

All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States ...

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#7.6 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:22 AM EST

{"commentId":1191541,"authorDomain":"YuriyBilokonsky"}

The Government is required to abide by the constitution. Not me.

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3 votes

#7.7 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:02 PM EST

{"commentId":1191976,"authorDomain":"samy2325"}

Have you read the Constitution? Start with Article 6, Clause 2

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the land ...

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#7.8 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:48 PM EST

{"commentId":1192012,"authorDomain":"samy2325"}

Let me clarify. I'm not saying that a private citizen can necessarily violate the Constitution. I offered the reserved power of Congress to coin money as justification for any legislation passed that the Liberty Dollar may have violated. I then responded to the issue of why Congress, and Congress alone had that power.

You not signing the Constitution or having to abide by it are of no consequence. Congress has the right to enforce its reserved power; I was suggesting a reason why the Feds may have been after the company.

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#7.9 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:02 PM EST

{"commentId":1192358,"authorDomain":"YuriyBilokonsky"}

Without the constitution, Government could do whatever it wanted. Without Government , I could do whatever I wanted. The Government can do nothing that defies the constitution, (though it does... all the time.) but that does not mean that just because the constitution does not forbid it is right for them to do it. Do you think it is right and just that this should be done? Honestly? Do people not have the right to do as they please with their lives... in their pursuit of happiness? Honestly, there is no law that supersedes the will of the people. No one was being hurt, if someone were hurt a lawsuit should have been made, and one was not.

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3 votes

#7.10 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:18 PM EST

{"commentId":1205045,"authorDomain":"kurtstack"}

kurtstack

eom

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#7.11 - Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:05 PM EST

{"commentId":1190119,"authorDomain":"fdbryant3"}

FDBryant3

I just seeded the Liberty Dollar page with information about the raid. They have links to the warrants used.

Apparently they were raided as part of an investigation into money laundering.

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1 vote

#8 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:00 AM EST

{"commentId":1190172,"authorDomain":"fdbryant3"}

FDBryant3

Sorry messed up the link - here is the correct one.

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1 vote

#8.1 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:35 AM EST

{"commentId":1190289,"authorDomain":"Jecille"}

Jerry-

Any other info on laundering? Who was involved and if its actually true?

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#9 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:10 AM EST

{"commentId":1190792,"authorDomain":"shawnshekari"}

I did get a reply back to my email to the FBI. I was suprised it was so brief and didn't even include the agents office or name or anything.

>>dateNov 16, 2007 5:46 AM >>subjectRe: Is there any offical word on the Liberty Dollar offices being raided this morning? >>mailed-byleo.gov

>>5:46 AM (1 hour ago) Reply

>>No same as yesterday. Contact Suellen Pierce at 704/338-3120.

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1 vote

#10 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:46 AM EST

{"commentId":1191069,"authorDomain":"shawnshekari"}

I pulled this off of the usmint.gov website. It was posted there some time ago and in fact this is the reason that Liberty Dollar was suing the government.

NORFED's "Liberty Dollars"

Source: NORFED, Inc. The National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act and the Internal Revenue Code (NORFED) is producing and marketing gold and silver medallions that NORFED calls "Liberty Dollars." The United States Mint and the United States Department of Justice have received inquiries regarding the legality of these so-called "Liberty Dollar" medallions. The United States Mint urges consumers who are considering the purchase or use of these items to be aware that they are not genuine United States Mint bullion coins and they are not legal tender. These medallions are privately produced products and are not backed by, nor affiliated in any way with, the United States Government. Moreover, prosecutors with the Department of Justice have determined that the use of these gold and silver NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions as circulating money is a Federal crime.

Consumers may find advertisements for these medallions confusing and should take note of several issues related to them.

First, the advertisements refer to the product as "real money" and "currency." These medallions might look like real money because they—

Bear the inscriptions, "Liberty," "Dollars," "Trust in God" (similar to "In God We Trust"), and "USA" (similar to "United States of America"), and an inscription purporting to denote the year of production; and

Depict images that are similar to United States coins, such as the torch on the reverses of the current dime coin, 1986 Statute of Liberty commemorative silver dollar and 1993 Bill of Rights commemorative half-dollar, and the Liberty Head designs on the obverses of United States gold coins from the mid-1800s to the early 1900s. However, despite their misleading appearance, NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions are not genuine United States Mint coins and they are not legal tender.

Second, the advertisements confusingly refer to NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions as "legal" and "constitutional." However, under the Constitution ( Article I, section 8, clause 5 ), Congress has the exclusive power to coin money of the United States and to regulate its value. By statute ( 31 U.S.C. § 5112(a) ), Congress specifies the coins that the Secretary of the Treasury is authorized to mint and issue and requires the Secretary to carry out these duties at the United States Mint (31 U.S.C. § 5131). Accordingly, the United States Mint is the only entity in the United States with the lawful authority to mint and issue legal tender United States coins.

Under 18 U.S.C. § 486, it is a Federal crime to utter or pass, or attempt to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver intended for use as current money except as authorized by law. According to the NORFED website, "Liberty merchants" are encouraged to accept NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions and offer them as change in sales transactions of merchandise or services. Further, NORFED tells "Liberty associates" that they can earn money by obtaining NORFED "Liberty Dollar" medallions at a discount and then can "spend [them] into circulation." Therefore, NORFED's "Liberty Dollar" medallions are specifically intended to be used as current money in order to limit reliance on, and to compete with the circulating coinage of the United States. Consequently, prosecutors with the United States Department of Justice have concluded that the use of NORFED's "Liberty Dollar" medallions violates 18 U.S.C. § 486.

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2 votes

#11 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:23 AM EST

{"commentId":1191097,"authorDomain":"shawnshekari"}

http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raid.htm

Some new information including the search and seizure warrents are posted here:

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#12 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:30 AM EST

{"commentId":1192509,"authorDomain":"kikaiju"}

kikaiju

Fascinating example of the risk of a gold-backed currency. If somebody takes or steals the gold backing the currency, then the currency is at severe risk of collapse. The only thing keeping it afloat is the will of those using it.

This is the same as the regular US dollar but we long ago skipped the pretense that gold was backing it. Better to back money with intangible things that cannot be hauled away in a truck or devalued when somebody else dumps lots of cheap gold on the open market.

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1 vote

#13 - Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:21 PM EST

{"commentId":1193639,"authorDomain":"shawnshekari"}

Interesting thought however seeing that about 6billion new printed federal reserve notes went into circulation this past week you may have lost more purchasing power than I did since I had purchased my Liberty Dollars in the 1oz silver.

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2 votes

#13.1 - Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:30 AM EST

{"commentId":1205054,"authorDomain":"kurtstack"}

kurtstack

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States ...

It doesn't say that a company cannot print a tradeable security, only that the power to issue coin (money) is granted to Congress. I don't see where it forbids companies from developing their own tradeable "securities". And if so, all public companies are in violation for printing stock. I don't even believe the Liberty Dollar meets the definition of "money": the official currency issued by a government or national bank. Tell me how the liberty dollar is any different from a stock certificate. The liberty dollar means you own a certain amount of gold or silver. A stock certificate means you own a piece of the public company. I don't see how there is any significant difference here. People buy and sell gold and silver everyday, and I personally don't see how this is any different.

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4 votes

#14 - Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:07 PM EST

{"commentId":1222486,"authorDomain":"shawnshekari"}

Another email:

Tuesday, November 27, 2007

Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters,

Usually at this time of the month, it is the deadline for the Liberty Dollar News, our monthly newsletter that has chronicled the Liberty Dollar for over nine years.

Of course all that came to a screeching halt when the g-boys raided the Liberty Dollar just two weeks ago on Wednesday, November 14. 2007.

So now I am running from the government, afraid for my life and trying to figure out what the hell to do next! Right? Wrong! Nothing could be further from reality. Please read these quick bulleted (no pun) items for a quick review of the latest developments:

IMPORTANT: If you have not received your order and you paid for it with a bank card, please call your bank immediately, cancel the transaction, reversing the transaction and GET YOUR MONEY BACK. Don't let the government steal your money!

1. First I am not running "from" the g-boys. It is just the opposite. I am running "to" the government. I see the current situation as an ideal opportunity to validate the Liberty Dollar. Otherwise they will have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am guilty and the Liberty Dollar is the scourge of the country. Luckily, my favorite FBI Agent "Andy" just called me yesterday... on my private cell phone. Well the cell phone is suppose to be "private" as most people don't know the phone number. So I complimented Andy on his resourcefulness and he responded that he was the "FBI". Now that impressed me and gave me a good secure feeling... because if the FBI could not find my cell phone number, we would really be hurting. In any case, Andy and I had a very "friendly" discussion for about 10-15 minutes. Seems that he wants to "talk" to me. I took that to mean that he wants to arrest me. So I asked about that and sure enough... a Grand Jury, indictment and arrest seems to be a given at this time.

Later in our discussions, when Andy was forth coming with other info, I complimented him on his "friendliness". To that Andy told me that he (that's the gov) would be as "friendly" as I was. Well, what is a poor boy to do, especially one in hot water with the feds... but be friendly. So trust me, I intend to be very "friendly". Seriously, I told my favorite FBI Agent Andy (who I am sure is reading this and can reply if he is so moved...) that I took the government's raid "very seriously." To which Andy replied, "And well you should... because the government takes it very seriously too."

So there you have it, my second call with my very Special Agent Andy. For the record, I spoke briefly to Andy shortly after he and his gang invaded the peaceful Liberty Dollar offices and raided it of everything. And as required, we received an inventory of the all confiscated material. Unfortunately, it was not as detailed as really required... simply stating 500 pounds of silver, without regard to year, weight, denomination or design was way too sloppy for this detailed pone arrestee-in-waiting.

Again, I am running "to" the government to absolve the Liberty Dollar as a legal, private, voluntary, barter currency as soon as possible. I want to get your property back ASAP. Please note this complete post for more important info on how you can help us get your property back.

2. Our first mission is to get your confiscated property back. Please don't call it stolen... yet. It will only be "stolen" if we lose this case. And God help us all if the Liberty Dollar is found guilty. So please take two actions: First sign up for the Class Action Lawsuit and encourage other people to do so. We need thousands and thousands of people demanding the return of their "stolen property". Second, we are launching a Legal Defense Fund to defend your right to use Gold and Silver any way you chose. It would be a very dangerous first step if the government started limiting the way you can use your own gold and silver. Please don't let this happen! Please donate $10 or more to this very serious movement.

Currently we cannot accept donation via a bank card... but we can accept checks, money orders and cash. It is OK to mail your donation to the same old address: Liberty Dollar. 225 N. Stockwell Road. Evansville. Indiana. 47715. Every single dollar, FRN or Liberty Dollar is greatly appreciated.

Stay tune for more exciting ways to donate as we ramp to drive this out of control government back to reality. We can do it... and we need your help.

3. Now lets get serious. Did you read the 35 page Affidavit filed by Agent Andy to show 'probable cause' for the issuance of the Search Warrant? If not please go to: http://www.libertydollar.org/legal/pdf/libertyaffidavit.pdf and read it! Read it very thoroughly. And while you do... ask yourself, "Where's the crime?" Where is the crime?!!! Usually in such an Affidavit there is all sorts of names, dates, offences, and other info. None of that is in this Affidavit! It seems that I am guilty of selling a t-shirt to Karen, our favorite kinda-undercover agent who was well known from the get-go. Where is the crime? And the idea we were "laundering money" is almost a joke... if it was not such a serious matter. Trust me, this is a serious matter and is being taken most seriously.

4. Equally serious, is your fear that some good natured, smiling, Agent Andy is going to raid your home and confiscate your Liberty Dollars. I know paranoia is rabid. And many of you have good cause to be alarmed. The government's assault on our liberties and property has been way over the top. And many of us have lost property in the past. But this should only toughen our resolve for this case. But please don't fear a raid on your place or home. There is no way the government has the resources to mount such an attack with $20 million Liberty Dollars in hundreds of thousand of hands all over our great country. Take precautions, diversify your holdings is prudent for everyone.

While it is not the time to relax and be happy, paranoia is no friend. Good communication is our best companion. So if you hear of some related action, please report it to me directly and stay focused so we can get all our property back.

5. Towards resolving this testy matter, we are interviewing federal criminal attorneys and hope to secure good, dedicated, successful counsel asap. As I mentioned to Agent Andy, I wouldn't want to meet him without counsel.

6. I was encouraged when Agent Andy told me that he would call me when he knew the schedule so I could "turn myself in". I thought that was real "friendly" and thanked Andy, as I am obviously not hiding out and prefer that this matter be handled in a gentlemanly way. I just hope the arrest does not interfere with my other commitments. I will be in Evansville on Thursday, attorneys in DC, family for the holidays and please join me for a rare performance as the keynote speaker at the Liberty Forum in Nashua NH on Friday, January 4. Please consider coming to the Liberty Forum... just mention Liberty Dollar and get 10% off. Trust me this is going to be wild... just a couple of days before the big Presidential Primary!!! Come to New Hampshire. Even Agent Andy is welcome. But lets find a convenient time for the arrest...OK?

7. Surprise!!! Speaking of commitments. I will be in Evansville this Thursday, November 29! Open to all. Pot Luck at 6:00. Meeting at 7:00 and out for a beer at 9:00. Everyone is welcome. Please join me at the Liberty Dollar office: 225 N. Stockwell Road Evansville Indiana. 47715. Plenty of free parking. Just off the Lloyd Expressway. Just ask Agent Andy he found us. But I don't' think he will be there on Thursday.... but then again... maybe Andy can come out and play... and he might be thereJ

8. Plus... if you did not catch my interview with Glenn Beck on CNN or with Larry Kudlow on CNBC... please visit http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raid.htm. Who would have thought that the raid would generate national news... let alone two shows on the same night and at the same time! The little Liberty Dollar just amazes me.

9. While doing the two national shows was good fun, it was not all the coverage. In fact, there are dozens of newspaper articles. The most amazing coverage came from a most amazing source, The Washington Post. Not only did the Post cover the raid, it was featured on the Front Page, plus it included a image of the Ron Paul Dollar! And if all that was not enough, the article was quite large and REALLY GOOD. It all started when Jan Salsbery, one of many fiery RCOs in California, referred Alec MacGillis, a reporter with the Washington Post to call me. As usual, Alex sounded like a very bright, very young reporter. And as I explained with a certain amount of contempt, you might write a good (truthful) article, but it will be sausage when the editors get done. But very late Friday night Alec called me and said the "editors" liked the story and was going to give it "some space." Well who would have thought ... Front Page for the Liberty Dollar and Ron Paul?! Now who could image that he will be our next President... I for one! And hope you agree! Our country really needs Ron Paul. As the silver Ron Paul Dollar states: VOTE FOR TRUTH.

PS: To Alec's credit, he followed up with a call on Monday, and subsequently wrote an additional outstanding article: http://www.libertydollar.org/news-stories/pdfs/1195598713.pdf

10. The local television and newspaper also provided very good coverage. It is amazing how many people are interested in the Raid on the little Liberty Dollar and the confiscation of two tons of Ron Paul Dollars. Of course your support is critical to our success. BIG Thanks for all you have done!

11. And finally have you seen the prices of the Ron Paul Gold, Silver and Coppers Dollars. One day the copper is a buck and the next day $65 or more on eBay! Silver is in the $250 to $450 range! Just crazy! And that is not even for the special numbered or hallmarked editions. Are you hip to the Hallmarked Ron Paul Silver Dollars? The Hallmark features a micro scroll with BOR denoting Ron's respect for the Bill of Rights.

Quite simply, there is a lot to be thankful for. When we started the Liberty Dollar we did not get an instruction manual. We did not know how the Liberty Dollar was going to save the country from a monetary crisis. But we vowed not to let our great country falter without trying. We all, even Agent Andy, have a civic duty to our country. We are commanded by the Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident... That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. We shall not let this country fail to live up to the ideals upon which it was founded by our Founding Fathers. Let us each vow that our country will not falter on my watch!

Now as I face eminent threat of arrest and possibly many years in prison, you have my sincere thanks for supporting the Liberty Dollar that exemplifies those very ideals. Our Founding Fathers fought and died for them, we shall do nothing less.

Remember it is only by banding together and adopting a free and independent currency that provides us with "just weights and measures" will we be able to throw off the yoke of a manipulated monetary/tax system and generate a peaceful and prosperous society.

Change the money / Change the country / Change the world. Do it now!

Bernard von NotHaus
Monetary Architect/Editor
November 27, 2007

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1 vote

#15 - Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:52 AM EST

{"commentId":1223181,"authorDomain":"YuriyBilokonsky"}

A bit snarky, but I suppose it's his right.

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#15.1 - Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:01 PM EST

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Prospero1

What is an ROC? And what is a BOR?

I tried to read all those brainy posts, and I'm still confused. Why can't someone make something like this, call it a "Liberty Dollar," and sell it to people? Commemorative coins are all over the place and have been forever. That doesn't make them money. What in the world is the big deal that this concern merits the FBI doing one of it's brownshirt acts to them? If someone were of a mind to think the bad guys are winning, this would clinch it.

What the heck is money laundering anyway?

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1 vote

#16 - Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:01 PM EST

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The government does not like competition and they've got the guns.

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#16.1 - Thu Dec 6, 2007 11:43 AM EST

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